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welcome back to the partnership and

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participatory engagement session at the

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ideas synthesis workshop here in houston

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joining us through adobe connect and we

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will be pulling him in virtually

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so why don't we turn over to chris

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real quick before we do that

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asteroid partners to follow us

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online and submit your questions

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and one real thing quick thing for you

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chris if you wouldn't mind

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staying on

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we'll have questions and i know folks

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would likely have some for you so if you

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wouldn't mind sticking around that would

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uh and with that absolutely i can do

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and with that i'll turn it over to you

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and uh your presentation thank you

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all right good morning everyone

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this morning i'm going to give you some

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of planetary resources thoughts on

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participatory engagement with nasa and

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the u.s government and private industry

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in meeting the goals of nasa's asteroid

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to start with though i wanted to speak a

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little bit on why we explore

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today we've explored for scientific

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interest for meeting questions of our

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solar system how it began to form

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uh but that's really starting to

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transition we've learned a great deal in

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the last 50 years of space exploration

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and as the president said in the our own

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u.s national space policy in 2010

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which is on this page we're

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transitioning to a way of exploration

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that's ultimately more sustainable and

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and things we need to leverage our

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the near-earth asteroids in the solar

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system really have a tremendous amount

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of resources that can be leveraged for

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this from water to precious metals

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and the structural materials that we'll

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need to build future structures in space

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and the asteroids themselves of course

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are extremely plentiful in these

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over time we've been the benefit of an

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exploration program thus far between

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nasa and other space agencies that send

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a number of exploration spacecraft to

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solar small solar system bodies uh the

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near-earth asteroid rendezvous shoemaker

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to the first near-earth asteroid out to

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today's osiris-rex but these missions

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are becoming increasingly complex

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increasingly expensive as a result and

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unfortunately a bit less frequent and

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this is something that from a commercial

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standpoint we would like to see the pace

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quickened in this area

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today we propose a way for a private

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public partnership to enable that

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incentive prize for the acquisition of

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partnership between the government and

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private industry and this is something

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that's already been done before nasa has

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one of these partnerships in place uh in

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the form of the innovative lunar

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demonstrations data baa and this is

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underway today uh six companies

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further was down selected to three and

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something that can probably be achieved

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discovery mission we would have uh maybe

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return data in line with road maps that

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detailed set of things that the

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businesses need to do contract line

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items and this is drawing directly on

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the language and the structure that has

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solicitation and an initial small award

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activities might be done on earth or in

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the asteroid or perhaps

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rendezvous missions that help reduce the

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risk and characterize more and more of

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the later stage activities uh we could

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cost plus fixed fee program but

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something that would require businesses

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essentially risk uh the mission and

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in providing the data the government

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service of the asteroid perhaps for

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potential human hazards perhaps

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simulating human appropriate approach

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and departure trajectories and of course

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the extended duration science that you

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launching our core technology next year

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increasingly more capable set of

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space which include propulsion the

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communications and then ultimately the

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capabilities that allow you to perform

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related to something that the government

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could start today perhaps with no funds

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sponsored or ride-share access to solar

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variety of launch vehicles but we see a

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missions that are launching to mars or

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that's landing or launching with over a

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metric ton of excess capacity uh on the

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to get earth escape trajectory and get

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an innovative and supportive environment

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for commercial activity it helps to

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reduce the uncertainty associated with

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launch manifests and the schedules

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getting those manifest started and then

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that can ride on investments that the

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so planetary resources is ready to

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asteroid initiative and we look forward

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to what these private and public

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so jen and jason thank you very much

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prospect dynamics and i'm going to take

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challenges where we really are

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broad brush categories that nasa will

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have the opportunity to aid in the first

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being a direct funding means helping us

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forward the second a more indirect means

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leveraging nasa's visibility to aid us

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the barriers to entry and aerospace the

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long timelines and the significant

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valuable in the in this industry

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also opportunities for relevant contract

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work and now this would be specific to

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investment vehicles on the topics that

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with about 130 pages of guidance and

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register on four different government

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websites

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for a three-page proposal so

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there are opportunities there to

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to make it a little bit easier for a few

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more companies to

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get their ideas heard by nasa and really

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this rfi was a great example of

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something simple to allow us to

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to to get information out

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on the visibility side there are ideas

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that are even easier

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something that would be worth its weight

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in gold to me is a letter of intent for

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nasa

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this wouldn't have to be something that

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offers any real commitment just an

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opportunity for us to submit an idea for

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review and in the best of cases have

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nasa provide back a letter stating that

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we've looked at this idea the technology

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has merit this guy can make it work

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there might be a spot for it within the

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retweets even easier nasa has a massive

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social media following

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providing and publicizing a hashtag that

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would allow us to request a retweet

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would be a very very simple effort

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and from that nasa would simply need to

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review

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tweets tagged with this hashtag and make

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a decision as to which to bring forward

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and then the big idea

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would be coordinated demonstrations

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so talking about that specifically what

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i have in mind for coordinated

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demonstrations focuses around a demo day

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events

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as each of us goes through the normal

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development life cycle there are stages

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where we

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have natural demonstration points

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and in many cases those would be pretty

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uninteresting

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to anyone outside the organization

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but over time they get more interesting

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more complex and

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if we bring all of these ideas all of

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these little development efforts that

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are going on

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across the industry

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and bring them together we can leverage

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the economies of scale bring everybody

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into the same room and

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build a lot of network effects out of

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that

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it would start with technology road

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mapping and not the high level

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technology road mapping that is done and

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done very well at the strategic level

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but the the more tactical detailed

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technical road mapping within a specific

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area so planetary defense for example

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what are the architectures that are

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being considered for a planetary defense

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architecture and what is the trade space

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that branches back from those different

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architectures

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looking back through that trade space

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what are the functionalities and

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capabilities that need to be

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demonstrated by certain technologies

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that need to be developed

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developing this lower level map would

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provide a go-to source for college

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students looking for ideas on relevant

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relevant projects it would provide an

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opportunity for businesses to go out and

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look and understand

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where

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they can best leverage their resources

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for the most bang for their buck

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and it would provide nasa a scorecard as

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we develop through this technology

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roadmap

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nasa can see where and how we are

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developing into which architectures

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identify if there are gaps potential

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areas that need to be incentivized

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from this road mapping come the demo day

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events themselves bring a lot of people

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together into a room into a convention

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center potentially going through a

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number of demonstrations of the

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technologies

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that that they are developing

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individually

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coordinating for scale you bring a lot

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of people together that

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then are enable nasa to show the

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momentum that is being built

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it provides opportunities for people to

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see what else is going on in industry

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and potentially find

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complementary demonstrations

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and it allows

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really investors and large businesses to

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come and see what's going on as a

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potential a shopping spree for for

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acquisitions

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and then the big piece is a headline

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event so

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right now we have four five six events a

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year that aren't these small

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demonstrations they're big

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demonstrations newsworthy on their own

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and if we coordinate these smaller demos

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these consolidated demos with the

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headline events then we essentially have

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the opportunity to take turns within

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industry providing the coattails for

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everyone else

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so how would prospect dynamics

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leverage this structure

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one of our focuses would i

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would certainly be within that roadmap

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as a key point and that is anchoring or

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attachment technology

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as we progress through the development

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we participate in demo days with

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different interesting and engaging

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attempts at showing how the technology

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is progressing

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in time we would be ready for a low

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earth orbit attachment demonstration

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which could serve as a headline marquee

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demo for a demo day

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i'll talk more about this slide in

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context 350 this afternoon in the

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asteroid deflection demonstration

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session but it is relevant here as well

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what we would do for a demonstration of

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attachment technology is demonstrate in

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low earth orbit rather than going to an

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ashtray

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we would

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lift

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potentially a handful of cubesats

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enabled with an attachment capability

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and then use space debris as an asteroid

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analog attached to the space debris

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object

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characterize its motion and then change

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its orbit

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this proves out the attachment

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capability in a

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potentially bold and very visible manner

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and it also highlights a number of

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applications that a single technology

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can be used for from the planetary

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defense application they'll talk about

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this afternoon to

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space debris mitigation if the altered

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orbit is to deorbit

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potential applications for

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on-orbit servicing as well

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so that is how we would engage the

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process

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but back to the overall

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concept in reducing barriers to entry

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funding via investments or simplified

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contracting

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and visibility being a means to indirect

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funding allowing us to go out into

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the investor community with the

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credibility of nasa behind us and then

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this overall idea of coordinated

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demonstrations to allow for

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leveraging the economies of scale

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establishing the technology roadmap so

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we know where we're going together in a

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coordinated fashion and then providing

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this opportunity

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of bringing so many people together in

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thank you

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next up we have david gump from deep

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and rick tumlinson to help

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okay ready

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please

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i was going to start this with hello

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sharks but david won't let me do that

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pitch so

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um i believe uh first of all

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there are three banners with a lot of a

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lot of great banners here there should

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probably be two more one that says um

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harvest and i know that says utilize

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but they wouldn't have the meatball on

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them they would just be here as part of

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the flow

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uh because that's the kind of thing

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we're talking about here

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we have to

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be able to create something that is a

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sustainable program that shows returns

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both economic uh educational national

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in terms of defense of the planet um

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and um

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that kind of program is one that

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would

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be able to stand up to these uh

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uh

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you know activities a lot better and

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it's something that it has to be

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sellable on all these different levels

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and it has to as somebody said in one of

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the earlier presentations that has to be

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kept sold

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and um certain programs that are being

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put out and ideas that are being put out

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just don't fit that so the overall

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broader partnerships that we can create

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the ones that show both economic and

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cultural uh returns

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are the ones that are going to be the

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ones that succeed in the long run and if

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we don't pay attention we will end up in

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the the special rocket ship garbage can

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of congress

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um because they need to see these things

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and white houses need to see these

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things and they need to go beyond the

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time-based parochial interests

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of of you know every administration that

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comes in redefines space

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one administration it's the moon one

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says it's mars one says it's asteroids

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been there to the moon etc etc so there

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needs to be an overarching goal that

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goes beyond all of those and the

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constituencies need to be broad enough

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to keep the activity going through those

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seismic shifts that occur

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now nasa needs to do certain things it

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has a mandate to do certain things

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including data science space exploration

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operations and planetary defense

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and obviously

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anybody in uh on the inside or any even

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close to the inside knows that that's

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the ultimate goal is going to mars

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whether nasa gets there first or musk

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gets their first

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we're going to mars and there are a lot

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of uh activities that are considered by

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some to be dog legs from that um i i'm

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not interested in ripping a

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leg off a dog i don't know where that

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analogy came from but i wouldn't mind

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hitching extra dogs to the sled to take

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us into the into the unknown

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um

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and we believe that ineos served that by

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helping us do different things in space

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keep in mind to get to any of these

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destinations you have to cross the ocean

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of space you have to go through what we

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call free space to get there and on the

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way it would be nice to be able to

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utilize what you can find there those

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resources to build your habitats uh find

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your fuel propellant

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and

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in the meantime we can be doing other

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activities such as helping

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communication satellites extend their

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life

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things like that so there's a lot of

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possibilities and if we can learn to

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live off the land it's absolutely the

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key

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we're working the transportation

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equation right now we're getting a

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government there are three legs to

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opening up frontier having a government

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that's not in your way or at least at

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least not your way and probably helping

577
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getting cheap to a transportation to and

578
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:27,280
from the frontier and learning to live

579
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:28,480
off the land and that's what we're all

580
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:29,440
about

581
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:32,320
someone hand this over to david

582
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:34,559
so of the three locations for space

583
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,120
based resources two of them are at the

584
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,520
bottom of gravity wells

585
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:41,280
and therefore when you do resources on

586
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,280
the moon it primarily serves lunar

587
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,600
activities same for mars that primarily

588
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:47,600
serves martian activities but when you

589
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,600
get your resources in free space you

590
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:52,159
serve all those destinations plus earth

591
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:53,039
orbit

592
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:56,080
and we tend to envision the the asteroid

593
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:59,440
initiative as an enabler for lots of

594
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:01,520
space activities rather than as a

595
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,000
destination

596
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:05,840
and so we propose an initiative for

597
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,240
commercial asteroid development that

598
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,640
joins what nasa needs with what industry

599
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:13,200
can get from from asteroids pooling the

600
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,679
goals and technologies and being able to

601
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:18,159
develop a more robust space exploration

602
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:19,200
system

603
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,120
and also in the in the process as i'll

604
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,039
talk about later really enhancing

605
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,600
planetary defense

606
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:28,000
so what we propose is the the i can be

607
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:31,120
modeled primarily on cots and the ild

608
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:32,320
that

609
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:35,600
chris lewicky talked about the idea is

610
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,559
that you go with a fixed price approach

611
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,280
and a below-cost approach to ensure that

612
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,120
there's private investment

613
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,280
you get paid on milestones

614
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,600
rather than a monthly uh cost plus

615
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:48,960
invoice

616
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,640
nasa decides to buy what what it needs

617
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:54,960
and then industry will fund additional

618
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,159
capabilities to serve commercial markets

619
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:00,320
just like with cots nasa specified we

620
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:03,520
need this much tonnage and potentially

621
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,240
these crew replacements done

622
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:08,559
and spacex and orbital sciences could

623
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,360
come up with a vehicle that did that

624
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,159
plus what was necessary to make it an

625
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,480
attractive commercial activity

626
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,400
and the benefit of taking this approach

627
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:19,760
is that

628
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:22,640
it's sustainable those activities like

629
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:25,360
falco falcon 9 will continue to operate

630
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:28,320
even if it if if the space station

631
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:31,919
contract eventually goes away

632
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:34,159
so you know the agency specifies its

633
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:34,960
need

634
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:37,760
provides tech dev and purchases data and

635
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:39,679
the private sector both develops

636
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,279
technologies and chooses which

637
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,440
technologies need to be developed it

638
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,200
shapes the operation

639
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,120
and if there are multiple multiple

640
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,400
suppliers nasa gets a competitive base

641
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,559
to buy its needs from

642
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:53,840
this

643
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:56,400
produces lower costs as spacex showed

644
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,159
not only was the total cost of getting

645
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:01,360
it falcon 9 created lower than

646
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,080
possible under standard contracting

647
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:06,400
industry participated in paying that

648
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:07,840
lower cost

649
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,640
as as rick mentioned if if you have a

650
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,880
commercial asteroid initiative you can

651
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,480
cut off the dog leg

652
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:16,880
hand it to industry and keep nasa

653
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,679
focused on going to the moon and mars

654
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:22,080
and it also results in in resources for

655
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,039
a frontier uh living off the land and

656
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,440
being able to stay in space once you get

657
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,880
there

658
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,880
we like to emphasize that

659
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,559
first do no harm

660
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:34,400
nasa ought to

661
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,039
focus on having scouting missions

662
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,240
for uh for industry

663
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,080
and that should be the first action

664
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:44,960
under a commercial asteroid development

665
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,720
initiative and these small vehicles also

666
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:50,159
in the next phase could do sample

667
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,279
returns

668
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:53,039
to reduce the great levels of

669
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,799
uncertainty that exist

670
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,480
with what

671
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,159
anyone will find when you try to go to

672
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:00,080
an asteroid for returning large

673
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:05,990
and this i think might be one of the

674
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,880
most important points for selling

675
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:11,039
asteroid activity to congress and the

676
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,799
general public

677
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:14,960
you know your planetary defense can be

678
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:20,149
it becomes a profit center learning how

679
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,279
to

680
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,520
inspect intercept and manage asteroids

681
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:25,679
because the asteroid industry needs to

682
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,360
do that in its normal course of business

683
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,279
if you have a robust industry doing

684
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,039
asteroid recovery

685
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:35,919
activities you'll have the hardware and

686
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:38,640
the people already in space for faster

687
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,760
response

688
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,679
you'll you'll have lots of bruce willis

689
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:43,679
is already working in space

690
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:46,159
you won't have to have a crash program

691
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:48,799
to suddenly develop them and launch them

692
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,679
so i think when you position

693
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:53,679
asteroid activity politically

694
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:55,919
we really need to focus on you get

695
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:01,909
the other benefits are much broader

696
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,400
science you know as on earth the

697
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,400
resource industry

698
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,240
coal and oil and gas

699
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:10,720
has learned so much about the structure

700
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,440
of the earth's crust that is paid for by

701
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,360
commercial activities

702
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,760
and if these things are done on an

703
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,200
energy basis

704
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:21,520
we can do things that nasa cannot

705
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:24,400
charlie's done a great thing to take

706
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,279
over the the exploitation rights

707
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,080
of the solar sail project

708
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:31,840
with an industry-led project though the

709
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:34,080
actual activities themselves can be

710
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:35,039
tweaked

711
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:36,880
new things can be added to to the

712
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,279
baseline mission that support public

713
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:41,520
engage engagement

714
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:44,480
so in summary we think that it ought to

715
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:45,279
be

716
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,880
a program that starts with buying

717
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:48,880
scouting data

718
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,760
and in parallel put out a baa for

719
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,840
industry ideas and how nasa and the

720
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:55,679
private sector could actually carry out

721
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,159
the asteroid redirection mission

722
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:01,200
and soon move into a phase where we you

723
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:02,799
seek competitive

724
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:05,840
bids to be able to bring back asteroids

725
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,400
in a manner that serves nasa's needs and

726
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:11,039
also provides a continuing resource in

727
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,240
earth orbit

728
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,559
that can be turned into useful products

729
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:17,279
for expanding the frontier

730
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,640
you'll notice nowhere in there do we

731
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,360
talk about abandon in place surplus or

732
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:23,279
prizes

733
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:26,240
we are talking about

734
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:29,919
analogies the ild and the cots

735
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,559
approach a partnership

736
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,320
this is the big plan this is the big

737
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,159
goal and yes there are two asteroids

738
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,720
rotating around that big red planet um

739
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:40,880
but that's that's the big goal that's

740
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:42,080
where i think

741
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,520
most of uh nasa and and a lot of the

742
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:47,600
those you know citizens of the country

743
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,720
want to go

744
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,039
um we have our plans and uh you know

745
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,279
some of us are free spacers we believe

746
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:56,080
that uh if we can get together we can do

747
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,520
what we need to do

748
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,520
and you know our merchant marine can

749
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:00,960
help support

750
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:04,240
uh the opening i won't say conquest

751
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:07,120
of the of of mars but um i think it can

752
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,640
be a joint partnership and i think

753
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,120
there's a lot uh to be said for all of

754
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,600
us working together in these ways thank

755
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:15,200
you

756
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,510
and next we should have eric mum from

757
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:27,840
honeybee robotics joining us virtually

758
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,669
okay

759
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:39,750
so i wanted to

760
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,240
focus today

761
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:44,480
on robotic technology development

762
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,559
and and maturation of the robotic

763
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,279
systems and tasks that would be required

764
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,799
for

765
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:54,000
um

766
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:55,760
a bold mission like this and and talk

767
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:56,640
about

768
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,919
uh how you know some of the facilities

769
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:01,039
and

770
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:03,200
capabilities that honeybee brings to the

771
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:06,640
table and how that dovetails well with

772
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,440
some great facilities and

773
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,760
capabilities personnel at

774
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:13,039
nasa

775
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,320
and how we can mutually

776
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,440
work how we can work together to

777
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:21,840
to develop jointly develop a

778
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:24,840
not only a robotic system that

779
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,520
can be successful

780
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,760
but also a ground test bed that we can

781
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:31,120
use to validate

782
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,200
these technologies so the first thing

783
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,120
i'm going to uh

784
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:37,440
focus on

785
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,919
are some of the the relevant honeybee

786
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:41,200
technologies

787
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:42,640
that

788
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:48,399
developed

789
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:51,200
has has been developing end of robotic

790
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,919
systems end effectors sampling systems

791
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,440
for

792
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,039
the mars program

793
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:59,120
lunar exploration and

794
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,279
even

795
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,080
asteroids and common sampling so we've

796
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,760
been on every landed mission

797
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,039
since mer

798
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,200
mer we provided a

799
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,360
rock abrasion tool or a grinding tool

800
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,679
that's featured in this slide

801
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,440
we provide two mechanisms for mars

802
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,039
phoenix lander and then we've got two

803
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,919
systems on curiosity right now

804
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,600
so we've got a pretty good history of

805
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,840
working with nasa on developing robotic

806
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,840
systems and and performing great

807
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,440
institute science

808
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:29,200
um

809
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,880
so i've got kind of a generalized slide

810
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:32,720
deck because we've got uh

811
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,120
presentations across multiple topics and

812
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,440
this is the one that we had authorized

813
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:39,120
to release so i'm going to skip through

814
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,159
this

815
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,880
pretty quickly and again just highlight

816
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,240
some of the

817
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:47,200
relevant technologies that

818
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:49,760
honeybee brings to the table so we've

819
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:52,960
been developing uh robotic uh drills

820
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,760
planetary drills for for sampling uh

821
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,320
powders and and taking cores

822
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:00,720
uh for mars moon asteroids and comets

823
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:01,840
we've got

824
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:02,799
um

825
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:06,559
probably a collection of 10 or so

826
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:09,279
prototype drills and sampling systems in

827
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:15,909
those are our systems that are available

828
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,760
for continued technology development and

829
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,840
demonstration

830
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,320
for not only performing some in-situ

831
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,559
science on an asteroid but but perhaps

832
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:27,039
even placing anchors

833
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,230
you know taking samples to perform

834
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,720
institute science and and and um placing

835
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:36,399
anchors in an asteroid

836
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,679
um

837
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,559
to minimize the eva activity uh you know

838
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:42,159
once in lunar orbit

839
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:43,360
um

840
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,600
utility for robotic systems that could

841
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:50,080
offload from the human aspect of

842
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,000
characterizing and

843
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,799
exploring an asteroid so

844
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,480
we've got

845
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,320
a great facility and a great set of

846
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:00,720
prototype hardware pretty high trl

847
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,399
hardware available

848
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:05,440
to perform near-term demonstrations

849
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:06,559
and and

850
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,789
pneumatic sampling techniques so

851
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:16,640
we've also developed some

852
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:19,760
capturing mechanisms docking mechanisms

853
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:24,710
satellite servicing

854
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:27,519
but these can be applied to

855
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,840
this mission context as well and so far

856
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:31,840
as

857
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,240
system can be used to capture boulders

858
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:38,080
or or capture

859
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,080
samples on an asteroid and pull it back

860
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:42,720
to the to the spacecraft whereby we can

861
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:49,269
this could even be scaled up to

862
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:50,480
capture the

863
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:54,080
the asteroid in its entirety

864
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:55,039
and so

865
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,799
you know those are a couple of the um

866
00:33:02,710 --> 00:32:59,360
top-level you know key technologies that

867
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,720
that we see as as relevant um in in this

868
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,399
mission concept

869
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:06,720
uh or context

870
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:07,679
um

871
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:11,200
and and with regard to uh

872
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,880
participatory engagement um first

873
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:16,240
we maintain

874
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,200
uh

875
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:19,360
a nice facility out in pasadena

876
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,110
where

877
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,440
you know as i alluded to earlier

878
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:27,279
we're developing various planetary

879
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,080
drills and sampling technologies

880
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:32,399
and the associated environmental test

881
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,440
chambers

882
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:35,200
required to

883
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,399
um

884
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,080
to validate uh some of these

885
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:40,880
technologies uh in in a relevant

886
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,600
environment and so we maintain you know

887
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,440
three chambers you can see one very

888
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,600
large chamber here on the left side of

889
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,600
the screen that we um

890
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,600
we use for some of our deep drilling

891
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:54,000
demonstrations in a again in a relevant

892
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,360
environment

893
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,840
and the facility also uh has an

894
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:59,279
extensive

895
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,240
uh

896
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,799
materials analog or analog materials

897
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:04,960
library so we've got planetary

898
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:09,040
stimulants such as jsc1 fjs1 grc1

899
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,720
and many um targets or rocks that are

900
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,280
good analogs to what we might encounter

901
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,040
on the surface of an asteroid so we

902
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,520
maintain this capability within

903
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:21,520
um you know the

904
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,399
the the honeybee umbrella and i'm

905
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:27,200
pleased to report that

906
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:30,800
we have has recently started

907
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,560
engaging on the government side

908
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:36,399
the satellite servicing capabilities

909
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:37,440
office

910
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:40,560
at goddard space flight center

911
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:41,599
and

912
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:44,800
i know both spoke earlier

913
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:47,839
but they maintain a wonderful facility

914
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,560
there at goddard

915
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,800
whereby you know we can not only

916
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,960
validate

917
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,720
certain robotic

918
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,079
technologies

919
00:35:00,829 --> 00:35:00,000
such as

920
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,839
you know

921
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:02,960
grasping or

922
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,839
capturing a boulder or capturing

923
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:08,240
a large object but also manipulating

924
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:10,079
that large object so maybe we place

925
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,589
we drill and sample uh and and and so we

926
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,079
see a a nice um

927
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:22,320
culmination of of capabilities here

928
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,359
between

929
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,760
uh honeybee and our you know government

930
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,599
counterpart in this case goddard space

931
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:29,920
flight center and leveraging their vast

932
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:33,599
vast expertise and robotic servicing

933
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,160
and their amazing test beds along with

934
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:37,760
our expertise and

935
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,320
and robotic drills robotic end effectors

936
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,040
and again some of the uh the sampling

937
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:46,880
techniques and the anchoring techniques

938
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,680
and and the geotechnical uh expertise

939
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,280
that will be required when interacting

940
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:52,800
with an asteroid

941
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:55,680
um and so you know this is one of the

942
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,560
this is

943
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:59,200
we feel a fine example of a nice you

944
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,000
know

945
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:02,560
private and government

946
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:04,160
collaboration

947
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,359
uh that should absolutely be exploited

948
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,440
um you know to buy

949
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,520
excuse me to buy down risk and to

950
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,119
demonstrate

951
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,200
technology into mature technologies that

952
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,200
will be necessary

953
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:20,160
to pull off a bold mission such as

954
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,550
that i think uh about wraps it up about

955
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,720
my ten minute time limit so uh that's

956
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,079
that's all i have i thank you for your

957
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,000
time and attention

958
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,720
thank you eric

959
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,480
and ask that you would

960
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,560
stay online uh

961
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,480
as we now move into our question phase

962
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:43,119
for this group um

963
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,800
let me throw it out to joe do we have

964
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:47,119
anything coming in yeah

965
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:54,790
thanks

966
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,400
um so this one is um actually to chris

967
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,400
uh planetary resources it's from uh

968
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:03,040
clinton clark online um the question is

969
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:04,880
if nasa focuses on

970
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,280
prize money for funding of

971
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:09,440
an asteroid study capture

972
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:10,720
how would that affect your business

973
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:13,040
model or your competition uh or your

974
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:19,430
all right thanks for the question

975
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:24,870
uh

976
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:28,240
the availability of nasa's interest in

977
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:31,280
prospecting missions and to provide a

978
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:32,000
a

979
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,960
explicit line of business

980
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:50,880
without something like that uh we're

981
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,599
kind of left wondering uh what nasa's

982
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,520
objectives are and whether they may

983
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:57,520
choose to meet them themselves

984
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,480
or if uh in this example that i laid out

985
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,400
and uh it was laid out in other

986
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,040
presentations this morning can allow

987
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,440
some well-defined collaboration with

988
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:08,880
commercial capabilities that's coming

989
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:23,430
thank you

990
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,190
i think we should look

991
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:27,920
at prizes in terms of the track record

992
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,320
so far

993
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:33,440
if you contrast that with cots

994
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,680
nasa paid spacex roughly 90

995
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:40,079
of the cots contract before their first

996
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,359
launch

997
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,000
and they now have a successful rocket

998
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,079
if you look at the google lunar x prize

999
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,880
uh which pays in

1000
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,640
initially zero

1001
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:52,400
prior to success

1002
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,680
and the ild companion contract that nasa

1003
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,079
came up with it was perhaps 10 percent

1004
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:00,960
prior to launch none of the google lunar

1005
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:03,040
x prize teams are in particularly good

1006
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,160
shape

1007
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,079
and there's great doubt as to whether

1008
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,160
any of them will actually be able to get

1009
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,320
to the moon by the deadline

1010
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,400
so i think in terms of asteroids we

1011
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:15,280
ought to lean towards the cots approach

1012
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:25,990
i i maybe this is for david and rick or

1013
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,640
for chris um i i was wondering if

1014
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:32,800
if you thought that partnering with nasa

1015
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,760
or help and help from nasa

1016
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,599
with issues that may be related to the

1017
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,200
outer space treaty

1018
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:40,720
in the long run

1019
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:43,359
is important or is that not important to

1020
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:54,390
i can address that question

1021
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,000
so with regards to the outer space

1022
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:58,000
treaty and the peaceful uses of outer

1023
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:58,960
space

1024
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:01,599
the issue is often frequently one of

1025
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:04,400
rights of extraction and mineral rights

1026
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,520
and

1027
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,480
we of course have seen that used by many

1028
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,000
different nations including the united

1029
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:11,920
states in the collecting and returning

1030
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:14,880
of samples for scientific use

1031
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:17,040
in partnering with nasa for

1032
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,880
obtaining those materials

1033
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:20,640
perhaps eventually for science use but

1034
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,200
as a result of a business transaction

1035
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,960
this is an area where we can really

1036
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:26,960
clarify this area of the outer space

1037
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:29,920
treaty and continue to set precedent

1038
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:32,480
in how it outlines and defines and

1039
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:35,440
allows this type of peaceful activity in

1040
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:36,560
space

1041
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,829
i think we could use nasa's help in

1042
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,520
making sure that the

1043
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:50,160
space lawyer community

1044
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,200
is

1045
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:53,839
following practice rather than declaring

1046
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,880
what practice should be

1047
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,800
you know chris in the past has has made

1048
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,200
the analogy to fishing in international

1049
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,359
waters those fish are the common

1050
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,040
heritage of all mankind but once they're

1051
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,880
in the hold of your ship they're

1052
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:08,480
obviously yours you can bring them back

1053
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,680
to port

1054
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:11,920
i'd like to try that approach for

1055
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:14,400
asteroid resources to start

1056
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:17,280
i guess my greatest fear is a a space

1057
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,880
lawyer tsunami cranking up with lots of

1058
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:23,040
bright ideas of how to structure

1059
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,910
i just want to weigh in on that as well

1060
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,839
i think that

1061
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,200
several of those treaties the early

1062
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,960
treaties were written in terms of nation

1063
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:43,920
states

1064
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:47,040
as opposed to private companies

1065
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:48,640
nobody even thought that private

1066
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:50,000
companies would be

1067
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,760
engaging in space activities at that

1068
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,960
point and

1069
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,040
we need to be cautious

1070
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,520
um in the sense that if if a nation

1071
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,680
state the form of nasa is undertaking

1072
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,520
certain activities that it doesn't

1073
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:03,920
trigger reactions that then trickle down

1074
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,079
and inhibit the private sector from

1075
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,319
doing what we want to do there are

1076
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:10,079
people and i i

1077
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,680
shared a thing in london recently we had

1078
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,640
somebody

1079
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:14,800
pop up and say well

1080
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,960
we are in i think it was pakistan and he

1081
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,200
said uh it was an interesting refrain

1082
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:21,520
from the from the 60s and 70s he said

1083
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,800
basically uh

1084
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:24,960
um you know we deserve a piece of the

1085
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:26,079
wealth that you're going to create in

1086
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:27,200
space

1087
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,160
uh

1088
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:30,000
i guess just because we're human beings

1089
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:31,359
on the planet with you

1090
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:32,480
um

1091
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,960
i think that that can be handled

1092
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,880
more in a in a private sector realm by

1093
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,240
the fact that

1094
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,560
the obvious best way to distribute

1095
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,160
wealth on the planet that seems to be

1096
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,400
working most effectively

1097
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,720
is the free enterprise economic system

1098
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,880
and many of the foes and the people that

1099
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:50,400
were in the quote-unquote non-aligned

1100
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:51,680
movement

1101
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,400
in the uh 60s and the early in the 70s

1102
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:56,880
where these treaties were drawn up

1103
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,680
now find themselves for example china

1104
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,280
and the entrepreneurs in china on the

1105
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,880
other side of things

1106
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,640
so there are different ways to look at

1107
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:06,240
it now than were originally intended by

1108
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:07,440
those treaties

1109
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,319
and i think nasa can encourage a

1110
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:12,560
conversation but make sure that it

1111
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:13,599
itself

1112
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,319
does not become the point of the

1113
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:18,160
argument by being a national entity

1114
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:29,430
um

1115
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:32,560
so i guess i i i applaud you guys in the

1116
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:35,920
effort to open this new industry i i can

1117
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:37,920
clearly see the parallels between what

1118
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,400
nasa is doing in terms of scouting and

1119
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:42,319
why scouting is important for you guys

1120
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,200
and why you would like to

1121
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:47,920
play a role in nasa's efforts to do that

1122
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:53,990
opening a new mine is a very expensive

1123
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,960
thing and and opening new industry is

1124
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:58,800
very expensive it requires a lot of

1125
00:44:01,109 --> 00:44:00,079
investment

1126
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:01,119
and

1127
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,560
you know i think we'd like to believe

1128
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,240
that there's potential private

1129
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:07,040
investment to open this new industry

1130
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:10,880
my question really is what can we do now

1131
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:14,560
to make investors more likely

1132
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:17,119
to help to help you and open that

1133
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,280
industry what what needs to happen

1134
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:21,520
before those investments investors will

1135
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:23,440
come on board do we need to prove mining

1136
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,920
technology do we need to find a thousand

1137
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,400
rocks we can bring back what what is the

1138
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:30,640
key thing that that needs to happen now

1139
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,069
i think

1140
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,720
investors look primarily at will you

1141
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,480
have a market

1142
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,000
for what you're doing

1143
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,920
they have some faith that if there is a

1144
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:49,599
market you'll find that technical

1145
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,640
solution to serve that market

1146
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:55,200
so in terms of nasa

1147
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:56,480
in the past

1148
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:00,720
when nasa's been planning mars missions

1149
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:03,760
isru you know in space ircu has played a

1150
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,640
relatively minor part because it's it's

1151
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:08,400
not yet proven

1152
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:09,760
and so instead

1153
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,560
there's envisioned you know 10 giant

1154
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:15,359
launch vehicles to get one mars mission

1155
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:16,640
done

1156
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,160
if if nasa could officially declare

1157
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:22,480
and acknowledge we're not going to mars

1158
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:25,839
unless we get resources in space

1159
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:28,160
because there's no way we can afford 10

1160
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:31,920
sls in in one year to do a mars mission

1161
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,520
that provides one more marker for there

1162
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:38,160
is a customer in addition to comsats in

1163
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,280
addition to bigelow aerospace for large

1164
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:43,839
quantities of space resources i think

1165
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,790
do you want to comment on this as well

1166
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,280
this is an excellent question uh in

1167
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:55,200
terms of what government spending

1168
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,640
ultimately can do

1169
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:58,319
uh in

1170
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,079
creating a foundation and an

1171
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,720
infrastructure um which

1172
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,119
helps overall sustainable exploration of

1173
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,200
space and uh indefinite presence in

1174
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,640
space

1175
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,000
all mining of course starts with

1176
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,720
prospecting and whether that prospecting

1177
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,319
has been done by nasa scientific

1178
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,720
missions or if it has been done by

1179
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,160
commercial missions

1180
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:20,960
that information helped connect the vast

1181
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:24,160
meteorite database we have on earth with

1182
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:27,520
specific bodies out in the solar system

1183
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,880
nasa increasing uh its efforts and uh

1184
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:32,640
doing as it has been done

1185
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,560
uh with the neowise restart uh the

1186
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,200
considering of repurposing kepler

1187
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:41,520
for asteroid surveys and uh the funding

1188
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,640
of new technology like neocam and spacex

1189
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:47,040
agreements with groups like b612 and the

1190
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,160
sentinel

1191
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,319
to increase the rate of discovery we've

1192
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,800
only found less than a percent of all

1193
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,319
these objects

1194
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,560
but perhaps the most important thing uh

1195
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,200
that could be done with the way that we

1196
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,040
are laying out an infrastructure in our

1197
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,960
exploration of space is an

1198
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,960
infrastructure that leverages those

1199
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,200
resources that are already out in space

1200
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,599
uh creating an architecture that uses

1201
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:11,440
field depots that develops that

1202
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:14,079
technology that creates a network

1203
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:15,520
between here and mars and other

1204
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,880
destinations

1205
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,560
where those resources can be sourced

1206
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,319
from where it makes the most sense maybe

1207
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:22,079
from the surface of the earth maybe from

1208
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:24,559
the moon maybe from the asteroids

1209
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,000
and as we've seen in the past uh it is

1210
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:30,400
some parts government some parts private

1211
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,119
industry and i think in this particular

1212
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:35,280
case and developing the solar system

1213
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,440
economy it'll be no different

1214
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:41,520
just to weigh in on that with chris and

1215
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:42,880
and i think

1216
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:46,400
as an industry of two companies now

1217
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,119
um we share a lot of the same opinions

1218
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,359
the questions uh really get into this is

1219
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:53,119
an organic dance

1220
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,720
that we can engage with in the

1221
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,119
government and it is really

1222
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,800
uh making sure that we all know where

1223
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,079
we're supposed to put our feet so we

1224
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,720
don't step on each other um in the dance

1225
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:04,559
and um

1226
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,599
enter in terms of an arm nasa developing

1227
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,680
as we saw last night the ability through

1228
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,160
jpl and others the ability to go out and

1229
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,920
grab things in bags and stuff like that

1230
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,839
that's that's an appropriate government

1231
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,839
role as far as i could see that that's

1232
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,760
great research development

1233
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,920
that helps lead the way

1234
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,920
i won't get too far into the subject of

1235
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,440
whether i believe nasa should be the one

1236
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:27,200
going out to grab the asteroid on the

1237
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:28,400
other hand

1238
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,559
because pacing and pricing as set by the

1239
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:32,480
government is going to be different than

1240
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,160
that that's going to be set by the

1241
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:36,720
private sector however if nasa can play

1242
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,760
the customer role and determine that in

1243
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,359
advance it's going to be a customer kind

1244
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:43,280
of emphasizing what both chris and david

1245
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:46,000
said if we look at for example

1246
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,680
during the era of the space shuttle

1247
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,000
great vehicle that it was amazing uh

1248
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,559
system that it was

1249
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,319
the government was providing an

1250
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:56,559
operational industrial transportation

1251
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,440
role

1252
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:59,040
with the space shuttle out of the

1253
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,720
picture and it now being clear that the

1254
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,720
government's going to buy its payloads

1255
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,200
and services from the commercial sector

1256
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:07,920
the commercial sector can go out and and

1257
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,800
build in that direction and both parties

1258
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:12,800
win the government in the end will have

1259
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,040
lower cost and more reliable

1260
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,680
multi-source transportation systems

1261
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,119
and the private sector will have a

1262
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,359
market that it can go out to and

1263
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:23,680
leverage the investment that it gets by

1264
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,880
the same token if nasa downstream

1265
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,640
does declare as david mentioned that it

1266
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,280
is going to be buying resources buying

1267
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:33,440
data buying these things and the lines

1268
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,720
are clear

1269
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,640
that that's going to be there then we

1270
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,800
can go back to investors and say look

1271
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,720
there are customers in the form of

1272
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,480
government downstream

1273
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,880
the government in turn can look at its

1274
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,720
budget estimates and say you know what

1275
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:48,559
we're going to be able to save x amount

1276
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:49,359
because these are going to be

1277
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,079
commercially provided services as in the

1278
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,240
the case of commercial transportation to

1279
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:56,559
and from orbit so it really is a dance

1280
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,359
that goes on between both sectors if we

1281
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:01,520
can basically agree on the music the

1282
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:03,040
tempo and the base

1283
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,349
anything joe

1284
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:14,870
okay

1285
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,270
any other questions we're coming up uh

1286
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:18,960
at the top of the hour for our next

1287
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,309
all right why don't we hold it there

1288
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,040
i will take another uh 10 minutes

1289
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:29,520
uh and be back with our our third and

1290
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:32,559
last uh group of panelists

1291
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:35,200
uh and then open it up to discussion so

1292
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,640
thank you everybody